The three paths AI could take from here - Shawn Wang SWYX interview [Podcast #208]

Today Quincy Larson interviews Shawn Wang. He's a package engineer, laminitis of the AI Engineer conference, and big of the Latent Space podcast focused connected applying the latest models toward getting activity done. We talk about: - How moreover if LLMs plateau, location will beryllium still paths to amended output done surrounding harness code - And 3 large areas researchers are exploring to further amended exemplary performance: World Models, Multi-modality, and Embodied AI - Which skills Shawn thinks are astir important for developers going forward - And why Shawn thinks you should move your ain aforesaid school from "just-in-time learning" to "just-in-case learning" Support for this podcast comes from the 10,113 benignant folks who donate to our kindness each month. Join them and support our ngo astatine https://donate.freecodecamp.org Get a freeCodeCamp tshirt for $20 pinch free shipping anyplace successful the US: https://shop.freecodecamp.org Links from our discussion: - Shawn's Tiny Teams Playbook: https://www.latent.space/p/tiny - Shawn's question and reply pinch FeiFei Li: https://www.latent.space/p/after-llms-spatial-intelligence-and?utm_source=publication-search - Boots Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory - Wirth's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law - Adversarial Reasoning: https://www.latent.space/p/adversarial-reasoning Community news section: 1. freeCodeCamp conscionable published a broad people that will thatch you really to usage the security-focused Kali Linux operating system. You’ll study really to identify, exploit, and take sides against real-world vulnerabilities. You'll besides build a coagulated instauration successful penetration testing, web security, and vulnerability assessment. 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(4 hr YouTube course): https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/build-a-production-ready-pipeline-with-docker-cicd-and-hostinger/ 5. Today's opus of the week is the 1980 classical "Turn maine Loose" by Canadian set Loverboy. Build connected apical of a ace catchy syncopated bassline, this opus has immoderate ace expressive vocals, buzzing synths, percussive piano, and the guitar solo is apical shelf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnHm4ro_l8s Chapters 00:00 Welcome & Intro: Sean Wang (Swyx) 00:42 freeCodeCamp News: Kali Linux, Kubernetes & React 02:12 Full Stack DevOps Course 02:50 Song: "Turn Me Loose" by Loverboy 03:49 Interview: AI Engineer Conference & Latent Space 04:24 Future AI: World Models & Embodied AI 04:53 Just-in-Time vs. Just-in-Case Learning 05:27 Judging 1,000 Devs astatine Stanford TreeHacks 06:05 Top Project: Reverse Engineering pinch AI 07:52 The "AI Wrapper" Debate 08:34 How LLMs Changed Hackathons 09:20 Addressing AI Cheating & "Blank Slate" Spirit 10:26 Non-Technical Founders Building pinch AI 11:13 AI's Impact connected the Software Labor Market 14:30 High-Perf Wrappers vs. Deep AI Engineering 18:45 Importance of Evaluation & Benchmarking 22:15 Is Model Performance Plateauing? 27:50 Agentic Workflows & Multi-Step Reasoners 33:10 Open vs. Closed Source: Llama & Mistral 39:05 Transitioning to an AI Engineer Role 45:20 From Prompt Engineering to System Design 51:40 Speculating connected GPT-5 & Next-Gen Models 58:10 Robotics & Physical (Embodied) AI 1:04:30 Building AI Communities 1:10:15 Career Advice for the AI Era 1:15:26 Closing Remarks & Resources